and the Sun shines

In discussion:

“Science is a method of investigating the cause of natural phenomena we observe in this reality in which we find ourselves adrift. This is its fundamental reason for being and its true purpose. It arose out of philosophical thinking from the seventeenth century. It lays out a method of observation (of natural phenomena), postulating an idea of what the investigator thinks the cause ‘may’ be – as a hypothesis, which is then to be methodically tested by the use of manipulating it as an independent variable.

By carefully following this method, investigators (“scientists”) may deduce what they then consider to be the cause of the originally observed natural phenomena. It is real. It is not mathematics. It is not concerned with abstraction nor model. It’s primary purpose is to empirically determine cause of real effects (natural phenomena). So now we have a way of arriving at careful and methodical ideas of how some things in nature are being caused – at least on some superficial level.

On this basis we may move ever forward and always tentatively, never with grand opinions of ultimate eternal truths of existence. We must be ever vigilant and discerning of our own beliefs, biases, preconceptions, presuppositions, and our preferred paradigms and cultural leanings as to what we believe about nature. Impartial. detached, non-partisan, open-minded. At all times. Nature and existence is not a thing we may become conceited, self-righteous, or egotistically precious of and adopt a sense of all-knowing. We must be humble before it. This would seem self-evident and fundamental. But humans do not learn. They have ego. They do all the opposite things. So now, we have “settled science”, and “everyone just knows”, and mathematical abstraction posing as empiricism.

Science and human knowledge with it, has become lost and far from the path to truth. “Gravity” is a mathematical formulation for predicting how fast things fall. Isaac Newton invented it. He admitted in his papers that he did not know of any mechanism by which this “force” may actuality be operating. We still do not. Gravity as a theory of why we are held to the ground is nonsensical . It offers no real explanation. Einstein was a magician who wrote more complex strings of numbers and claimed “space-time” as a thing which holds us here somehow, oh and keeps planets in orbit. More nonsense.

Mathematical formulation is NOT the scientific method – remember. Your ideas on energy and the example are interesting and I would say quite poetic. Whether or not you have described the truth of whatever causes and effects are going on is moot. We humans have formed ideas and concepts and opinions on all of this and there will be legions of science fans who would leap to point out your errors, and their great knowledge and physical ‘laws’, and so on.

In the final analysis the wind still blows and kites will fly and children all over really don’t mind who said what. In all matters our ideal pursuits must be for truth. Truth in natures construct, truth in our own thinking, and the steps we take along the paths. I suggest this ideal has been abandoned.”

“Thanks John, yes it’s not a matter of “flat” vs. “sphere”. Anomalies and inconsistencies have been discovered in the current orthodox “globe” consensus model, and it seems we must revise our fundamental concept of what this Earth really is. It seems so crazy to most people – I am acutely aware of this. It fascinates me on many levels as a long-time student of human behaviour via both a psychological and sociological lens. This new and crazy topic just rips everything apart and opens a new chapter in human understanding. Few yet realise the significance of it. Most still laugh it off and mock the very idea. They have not thought deeply enough about it yet. They have not been willing to get past their incredulity, their reflex to laugh and mock, or their cherished and ingrained beliefs in what they assume is “settled science”. It is always refreshing and encouraging to have other thinkers alongside who do ‘get’ the ramifications and implications of this important topic. It is a matter of truth.”